GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun

It is a sad day for American Politics when a man's pastor is used against him.  And, honestly, I thought I would not see this from the republican party.  If anybody has the contact information of the people who but up this ad - that is Linda Daves - I would like to call her, and have some friends at Princeton Seminary and clergy members call her.  Here is the North Carolina GOP ad -

As I've visited Black Churches recently for Sen. Obama - and, I attend an all Black Church in Trenton when I am home on weekends - I have been troubled by what this means for a lot of Black in America. A lost of pastors, as we know well, in the Black tradition preach a rhetoric of shock - which is quite enjoyable and convicting.  Yet, if the standard is set that you can leaf through an entire career of Sermons for 15 second sound bites, we may never again see a viable candidate who attends a black church.  That is most African Americans could not run for public office.

I've written a lot in defense of Wright.  And, am working within the theological community to defend Wright.  Were yet to hear a major Christian Leader (Outside the Family Research Council) attack wright.  In fact the list of persons who have spoken up for him within religious circles is really impressive.  But, here I want to open it up to the Kos and MYDD community... what are the best tactics we can use to defend Wright?

If somebody provides numbers for the NC GOP (I had trouble finding them) I'll update with a report of my conversation.



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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (2.00 / 1)

My parents are very religious and live in North Carolina..  what disturbed them most about the Wright flap was that a pastor's 30 year career was being reduced to 10 second soundbytes...  other members of their congregation agreed..


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by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:26:13 AM EST

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I've talked to Clergy Member after Clergy member who said the exact same thing... Now is really a time for the Religious community to stand up, and speak out.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:35:09 AM EST
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Agreed....  and that would be the best place to start...  My parents are, for the record, white, mid-60's, Methodists.. that they were dismayed by the way this has played out was pretty par for the course among their congregation who are of similar demographic...


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by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:51:00 AM EST
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I have at least six people in my family who have been missionaries, two who have graduated from Seminary. One who is headed to Eastern Europe later this year. They have absolutely nothing but venom for any politician who tries to exploit their values or speak on behalf of them in order to attack.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:34:49 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

You won't have much luck with that.

I grew up in a Baptist household in the south and was dragged to church three times a week for 18 years, and I never once heard anything remotely like those 'few sound bites' that have been looping across the MSM.

Although you might a few who don't have a problem with it, the majority of churchgoers, without a doubt in my mind, were aghast at his comments.

You just simply don't say 'G-D' ANYTHING in a southern church.  Ever.

The rethugs are going to eat Obama's lunch with this thing...another reason he's unelectable.


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:38:47 AM EST
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It is rather interesting because church goers were rather insulted.  Yet, Clergy were not... in fact many many defended him.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:42:36 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

I am not a regular church attendee, so I relied on people ho were to weigh in...

I think wen it comes down to losing your house, not affording health care, or buying food versus paying for gasoline, Rev. Wright comes in distantly as a concern among voters this year...  especially since Rev. Wright is not running for anything this year.


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by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:43:44 AM EST
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I've also never seen (none / 0)

a preacher pantomime "doing the dirty deed" from the pulpit either. Or anywhere else for that matter.


by georgiapeach on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:11:43 PM EST
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Re: I've also never seen (none / 0)

I actually did last Sunday - as the preacher yelled "There is a fire in my house and I think it is my Wife"


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:18:20 PM EST
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Seriously? eom (none / 0)


by georgiapeach on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:54:36 PM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

The GOP want to run against Hillary.  


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by Blue Neponset on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:28:57 AM EST

Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (2.00 / 0)

Republicans in my family definitely want to run against Obama, not Hillary.


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:40:58 AM EST
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And Republicans in my family are either voting for McCain or Obama...  but not Hillary...

Who knows.


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by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:44:34 AM EST
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We need to stop playing games. (none / 0)

Hillary lost, and everyday she continues her futile campaign is a day we could spend going after McCain.

 


by dystopianfuturetoday on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:33:03 AM EST

I don't get it. Why would they do that? They (none / 0)

WANT to run against Obama!!!! Why would they try to hurt him now????!!!???!!


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by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:33:40 AM EST

Re: I don't get it. Why would they do that? They (2.00 / 1)

They are using it in a congresional race not presidential. I do believe they have no business doing this.


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by indydem99 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:38:01 AM EST
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Re: I don't get it. Why would they do that? They (none / 0)

What? Sorry I didn't get that.


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by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:46:47 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

Good News! Every voter should be well informed.


by marimari on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:36:59 AM EST

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I take it this is a snark


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:37:54 AM EST
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Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (2.00 / 1)

Is Hillary complicit with these Republicans?

They are making the same point her team has tried to make for the last 3 weeks.

Its time for Hillary to prove she is a Democrat and shoot down these Republican attacks.

So someone ask her or Wolfson,  is she going to condemn attacks by the Republicans on a fellow Democrat?

Is she going to stand against the Right Wing Conspiracy she railed against so much?


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by GeorgeP922 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:38:40 AM EST

Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (2.00 / 2)

John McCain has actually condemned this ad.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:39:38 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (none / 0)

Link? McCain pretty smartly distances himself from this stuff, I'm curious to see how exactly he does it in this case.


by souvarine on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:45:41 AM EST
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firstread -

"Per the RNC, the national leadership of the Republican Party has been in contact this morning with the North Carolina GOP, urging them to refrain from running the "Extreme" ad.  The party says... is "not appropriate" and "unhelpful."

That could come back to haunt them.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:51:06 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (2.00 / 1)

It is Obama that has to prove that he is a Democrat. Majority of Democrats have voted for Hillary. Obama is in the race only because of independents!


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by indydem99 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:42:08 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (none / 0)

Well, having seen both the big D after his name and his voting record, I'm pretty convinced....


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by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:52:22 AM EST
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Dem voters: O < H! I don't think so! (2.00 / 0)

That is one of the most deceptive talking points that has been thrown out during this election cycle.  This is the Democratic primary.  People don't just wake up on primary day and say i want to vote.  Historically, primaries elections are notoriously unattended.  Even yesterday 50% turnout is considered amazing.  Thus a vote in the Democratic primary is a Democratic voter.  They conciously decided I found my candidate on the left side of the spectrum.  To say any differently is to disparage hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens to try and prove a pathetic political point.

Oh btw, do any evidence to prove your b.s. or do you just throw it out there and just hope nobody calls you on it?


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by nklein on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:00:29 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (2.00 / 1)

It is NC GOP that is running the ads not Hillary's campaign. you sound like one of those net kooks from Daily Kos. Hillary is a good loyal Democrat.


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by indydem99 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:44:37 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (none / 0)

How so, she attacked her fellow Democrat over the same garbage.

She needs to condemn this ad, but she won't.


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by GeorgeP922 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:48:51 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (2.00 / 0)

Funnt didnt BO attack HRC as a liar and racially insensitive.  BO supporters live in some fairtale land where they smear HRC everyday and then expect HRC to cover up their candidates issues.  WTF.

BO needs to solve this issue.  Both my mother and step mom chatted with me over the holidays and i can tell you BO needs to do more that just give some speach in Phl.  

david


by giusd on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:58:15 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (none / 0)

what Holiday?


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:59:04 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (none / 0)

Passover?

sorry

dg


by giusd on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:34:02 AM EST
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Re: Who's side is Hillary on?!?!? (none / 0)

You are misrepresenting facts. She was asked a direct question and she gave a direct answer. She did not make the statement on her own.


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by indydem99 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:26:45 PM EST
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Excuse me? (2.00 / 0)

Now it's Hillary's fault and her responsibility to decry this add?  I am sure she will condemn the add, but it is Obama's responsibility to start beating back on this.  

This is what the general will look like for him, and if he doesn't come up with a smart and effective counter to this, and relies on others to decry the add, this will be the equivalent of Kerry not fighting back on the swift boat charges.


by 4justice on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:48:08 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (none / 0)

Why shouldn't she, does she agree?

This will prove if Hillary will be on our side when Obama goes against McCain!

This is what SUPER DELEGATES are looking at, they don't care how passionate HRC's die hard supporters are, they care about victories all around in every state for every progressive Dem candidate.


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by GeorgeP922 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:50:29 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (2.00 / 0)

I don't think she needs to say anything about it pre-emptively... if she gets asked the question, she should condemn it...

I would condemn an ad of this type against John freakin' McCain for crying out loud...!


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by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:54:16 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (2.00 / 0)

Clinton should condemn the ad, because even the GOP has condemned the ad...she'll look like a spiteful fool if she does not.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:27:31 AM EST
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Obama should condemn... (2.00 / 0)

...every ad that touches on a subject that the Republicans have ever used against Hillary?

If so, he'll be busy well into the night...


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:44:59 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (2.00 / 0)

Oh okay, so I am assuming that you are not calling on Obama to denounce Randi Rhodes either...


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by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:33:13 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (none / 0)

Unlike Obama and his wife Hillary volunteered to campaign "her heart out" for who so ever is the Dem nominee. I have not heard such a catagorical statement from the "Messiah" nor his wife so far.


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by indydem99 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:32:18 PM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (none / 0)

So then you think Obama should run every nasty ad against Hillary that the Repubs would run? There is sooo very much material he could use against her and that they WILL use. One think '/m most proud of in Obama is his ability to counther attacks quickly and effectively but that doesn't mean HRC shouldn't condemn certain tactics.


by Becky G on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:27:28 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (1.00 / 0)

He already has.  He has been running 90's FOX news ad agaisnt her for months.

david


by giusd on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:35:45 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (2.00 / 0)

Well that is not completely true... nobody from the Obama Camp has brought up Monica, Cattle Trades, WhiteWater, Vince Foster - The GOP would


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:38:37 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (2.00 / 0)

His whole 'Hillary's only experience is baking cookies in the White House" theme, however couched, is a direct ripoff of Republican tactics.

Ill await his apology...


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:46:40 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (none / 0)

You just did. Looks like you are goof at Rethug tactics.


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by indydem99 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:33:54 PM EST
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Re: Excuse me? (none / 0)

I'm doubtful too many people will read my comments on MyDD and think, gee I shouldn't be supporting Clinton... talking about somebodies weak spots on a blog is not pushing the weak points.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:19:33 PM EST
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This statement totally surprises me (2.00 / 0)

"And, honestly, I thought I would not see this from the republican party."

Are you really that naive that you thought the republicans would not use this against Obama??? Seriously, you are surprised?

Don't you remember all the repug tactics used against all our candidates all the time?  They are silly, vile, and as you point out, disgusting.

This is what some of us have been telling you folks for a while, that the Wright controversy may have died down for democrats, but it is absolutely the gift that keeps on giving for the repugs.  Absolutely this is going to get worse--this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Now it's important to act, not just to decry this--you guys must be prepared to take this head on, again, crying foul is not going to make this go away.


by 4justice on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:42:57 AM EST

Re: This statement totally surprises me (none / 0)

Well I didn't think they would not do it due to there morality.  I through they would not do it tactically.  George Bush won only by raising the religious voter (mostly evangelical) turnout.  He won Ohip by taking 18% of Black evangelicals compared to 9% nation wide.  

McCain is already going to have trouble reaching out to these voters...he should have gone to the faith forum.  That last thing he needs if evangelical pastors being upset with the Republican Party... and, several have already come out in defense of Rev. Wright.

Also, Democrats have held back from running "crazy pastors" adds in the past...but many many republicans attend Churches like Hagee's, Parsley, etc... They may not have wanted to set this standard.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:49:05 AM EST
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Are you kidding me? (2.00 / 1)

In a time when the GOP is demoralized and on it's last gasp of breath, they've struck a political goldmine with Wright.... do you seriously think they're not going to use it. Really?

Talk about running on hope. Heh.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:44:29 AM EST

Re: Are you kidding me? (2.00 / 1)

That is not Hope that is Hopium.


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by indydem99 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:46:13 AM EST
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Hopium (2.00 / 0)

Dude...that was, simply...

HILARIOUS!!!

Hopium!


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:48:21 AM EST
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Re: Are you kidding me? (2.00 / 2)

Wright is a great mirror. If you are offended by his comments you'd have been offended by MLK and that mean some self-reflection is in order. No doubt some people will continue to be offended by him. The polls don't show it having too much effect on Obama though.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:48:11 AM EST
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Re: Are you kidding me? (none / 0)

That's a good way to put it. Most people who say he's hateful have no real reference point as to why other than "He's racist" or "He's unamerican". When asked to explain why, they just start comparisons to Jerry Falwell or Louis Farrakhan. It seems that a lot of people do not really understand what hatred truly is or what drives it.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:28:41 AM EST
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Re: Are you kidding me? (none / 0)

Some people seem wholly unwilling to place his comments in context and understand them. Or even try. Those people would, no doubt, have called MLK a racist for railing against white supremacy and imperialism, advocating for affirmative action, and suggesting that reparations are needed.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:32:03 AM EST
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Re: Are you kidding me? (1.00 / 0)

I've heard many MLK speeches, read many of his sermons over the years, and have never thought he was a racist.

Wright?...I must say, I was shocked.

Trying to pull MLK down to his level is scandalous.

MLK was a great man, a brave pioneer.  Wright is living in an all-white gated community with his millions he made off hate speech.


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:50:33 AM EST
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Re: Are you kidding me? (2.00 / 0)

Well King has been 'cleaned up' and 'whitened' in our memories... But even Christ would look crazy if the media circles 15 second clips of him welcoming prostitutes or turning over tables in the temple.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:54:27 AM EST
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Re: Are you kidding me? (1.00 / 0)

Yeah, I know...buy try selling that to middle America.


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:01:47 PM EST
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Re: Are you kidding me? (none / 0)

I'm trying to, and it is uphill - though I saw a recent poll where only 22% of people were currently concerned about Obama and Wright - surely they were mostly R's.

The best way is to encourage Clergy across the country to speak up.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:29:37 PM EST
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Frankly I don't give a frak about... (2.00 / 0)

what Wright believes or how he preaches. What I do give a frak about is how much it affects our chances of winning in the fall.  And yes, I do believe Wright will be used to SLAUGHTER Obama. Clinton didn't run ads using Wright, but the republicans sure as hell will. And you know what, it will work because if they and turn actual patriots like Cleeland and Kerry into sissies and wimps, it won't take much for them to turn Obama in a a radical extremist with a muslim name to boot, into an unamerican, anti-american, liberal elite. And you know what, with Wright, they'll have the actual material to work with, unlike with Kerry and Cleeland, wherein they just MADE SHIT UP and it worked.


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by cosbo on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:01:42 AM EST

Re: Frankly I don't give a frak about... (none / 0)

What's truly unamerican is allowing yourself to be frightened in the face of viciousness. Refusing to stand up and fight it.

If you want to keep playing defense, go right ahead. I'm hoping that my candidate understands the importance of not backing down or running away when a big dog is growling at you. Well, a non-rabid dog, anyway.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:24:47 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

But you have to admit the women at the end is really funny.  I mean this really awful add, really harsh, and then the little old grey haired lady comes out and in the softest voice says we paid for this ad.  The contrast is really over the top.

david


by giusd on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:12:32 AM EST

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Gotta say, this is the best thing we can hope for. The candidate that supposedly maligns people of faith stands up for his pastor. A pastor being viciously assaulted for political gain is defended by fellow pastors, who HATE that kind of thing. Serious church-going people everywhere are further reminded that the GOP is not their friend.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:14:36 AM EST

Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (2.00 / 0)

The RNC has actually asked the ad be pulled -

"Per the RNC, the national leadership of the Republican Party has been in contact this morning with the North Carolina GOP, urging them to refrain from running the "Extreme" ad. The party says that the content of the anti-Obama ad, which references the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is "not appropriate" and "unhelpful."

I think, it is quite dangerous for Republicans to attack Wright.  The only way Bush won in 2000 and 2004 was by upping evangelical turnout.  In Ohio, for instance, he pulled 18% of the African American vote - compared with 9% nationally - due to evangelical wedge issues.  If republicans attack Wright too hard they are risking a kick-back from the religious community... and if Hagee and Parsley are brought up in return a lot of moderate evangelical voters would probably stay home all together - out of disenchantment with the process.  I doubt the RNC has suddenly decided to be the Moral Police... the ad is just a poor tactical move.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:25:48 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

I thought so, too, but seeing it and thinking about it, I can see why NC would do it. They're expecting a high turnout for Obama, so they go after him, but their real target is doing better in those state races.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:31:11 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

When you sit back and think about the argument of the ad it is:

A. Rev. Wright is Anti-American
B. Because Sen. Obama goes to TUCC he also is Anti-American
C. Because these candidates endorsed Obama they are also anti-America.

Talk about 7 degrees of seperation


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:35:17 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

There is nothing about ANY of the candidates that is anti-America. If you believe otherwise, you need to read up more. If you feel others will believe otherwise after six months of learning about Obama, you're a condescending jerk.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:51:33 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

Cleland was in Georgia when the Democratic purge was occurring. He would have lost anyway, the ads didn't have that much to do with it. As for Kerry, the Swift Boat ads didn't question his patriotism.

They ALSO didn't concern only friends of both men, they were about the men themselves.

We are in a different time with a different strategy. If what you are talking about was going to be a winning strategy, then John McCain would not be the nominee right now.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 07:06:07 PM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (2.00 / 0)

And remember this is NC.  Does anyone remember the White hand washing ad that was run by Jesse Helms.  After willey Horton it was maybe the worst ad ever.

david


by giusd on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:38:15 AM EST

Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

yikes


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by switching sides on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:52:57 AM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

Y'know, all this real estate scandal concerning a democratic candidate.... where have I heard all this before??

Oh well. I'm sure it won't ever come up again.


by vcalzone on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 07:09:31 PM EST
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Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

It is a sad day for American Politics when a man's pastor is used against him. And, honestly, I thought I would not see this from the republican party.

Really? I figured we'd see it sooner or later. This is sooner than I expected, though. What's interesting is, the Republicans are using Obama and Wright to fight Perdue and Moore because they endorsed him. That's moronic. It won't work at all, and they're stupid if they think it will. But using Wright ads for any purpose disturbs me. I just don't approve of it. I'm not sure how to fight it, though.

Still, I don't think Wright will be as damaging as we've feared. He really didn't hurt Obama's numbers the way I would have expected. It could be a problem among those Reagan Democrats, but if Obama wins the nomination, I feel certain Hillary will do her best to encourage them to support him.

In the meantime, there are a lot of things we can do to damage McCain's chances. We'll have negative ads of our own (a couple are already running). And while it may be an upsetting idea to many of us, any Democrat who can stomach it should donate to Bob Barr and fight to get him on the ballot in every state -- especially swing states. I think he could be very, very useful to us.

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by sricki on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:53:53 PM EST

Re: GOP Attack ads on Wright have begun (none / 0)

He's still trying to get the Libertarian party's nomination. He's ahead of the other candidates, and I think he'll win. He'll definitely run this year if he does. People have asked him whether it bothered him that his run might cause the Republicans to lose in '08, and he basically said he didn't care and wouldn't feel responsible for McCain's loss.
Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:04:11 PM EST
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