Double Standard in Fundraising Messages?

Alegre has posted a very well written diary titled: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents.  Which states a history of Women's Issues, speaks to recent legislation supporting women, and then ask for donations for Hillary Clinton.  I don't want to bash Alegre or Sen. Clinton.  I just want to acknowledge the Sen. Clinton is reaching out to her most solid base - white women, and there may be a double standard here.  Sen. Obama's base (whose total amount of votes are not to far removed from that of White Women this cycle) is African Americans.  Often the Media says Women break heavily for women. However, they seem to often forget Black Women are Women, and on a number of occasions I've noticed them put up the White Women exist polls and ask "Why does Obama do poorly with Women?" I'm not suggesting the troubles of Black Folks and Women are equal - or even to be compared.  Only that this has become a race of identity politics, where it is pretty easy to predict where Identities break down.  Anyway, On Women Alegre Writes,


Now there's one more thing you can do to help insure a level playing field when it comes to our pay packets folks, and I think you know where I'm headed with this.  Help elect the woman who's been fighting to get the job done in the Senate re pay equity for the past 3 years, and fighting for women and kids for the past 35 years.  You say you care about equal pay for women?  Great - then put your money where your heart is and pony up!  Help put Hillary into the Oval Office where she can push for these bills - I mean really fight to make equal pay a reality for millions of us all around this country.

Women only earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns in this nation.  So in honor of Equal Pay Day I want each and every one of you to send Hillary some love - right now - to celebrate the launch of this new initiative.  Large or small - whatever you can afford it doesn't matter - as long as you add an extra .77 to your donation.  Send her $5.77, $25.77, $50.77, $100.77 or $250.77 - more if you can swing it.  But let her know you're donating because you care about closing that wage gap.  Tell the world that you want to see the women in your life paid the same wages as men, and that you know she's the one person who can make sure that gap gets closed...

So!  What are you waiting for...

DONATE NOW!

I'm asking the question.  What would the media, and some posters on this site say, if the Obama campaign wrote:


Now there's one more thing you can do to help insure a level playing field when it comes to our pay packets folks, and I think you know where I'm headed with this.  Help elect the Black Man who's been fighting to get the job done in the Senate re pay equity for the past 3 years, and fighting for Black families and kids for the past 35 years.  You say you care about equal pay for Black families?  Great - then put your money where your heart is and pony up!  Help put Barack into the Oval Office where he can push for these bills - I mean really fight to make equal pay a reality for millions of us all around this country.

African Americans families only earn 58 cents for every dollar a White family earns in this nation.  So in honor of Equal Pay Day I want each and every one of you to send Obama some love - right now - to celebrate the launch of this new initiative.  Large or small - whatever you can afford it doesn't matter - as long as you add an extra .58 (According to MSNBC) to your donation.  Send her $5.58, $25.58, $50.58, $100.58 or $250.58 - more if you can swing it.  But let him know you're donating because you care about closing that wage gap.  Tell the world that you want to see African Americans in your life paid the same wages as White People, and that you know he's the one person who can make sure that gap gets closed...

So!  What are you waiting for...

What does this say about our media?
Ought we encourage this style of politics?
What would Dobbs, O'Rielly and the lost say if the Obama Campaign put up a "Campaign "Wage Gap Calculator" Allows Black Folks to Measure the Impact of Pay Equity?"
Anyway, I think a number of questions are raised by this exercise.

Let Me Also Say The Obama Campaign Should Never Do Anything Like This... It is a revealing hypothetical

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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:42:46 AM EST
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I'm not sure exactly how the media would react. (2.00 / 1)

From a personal perspective, I think it would be a great idea, but I don't know how many people would agree with me. As you suggested, people like O'Reilly might spin it into something unpleasant.
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by sricki on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:55:02 AM EST

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Do you think it is appropriate for Hillary to do this with her highest voting demographic?  And take advantage of the double standard?


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:57:21 AM EST
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well, (none / 0)

you did try to hijack that diary more than 5 times with fund raising adds for Obama, whe the diary was about HRC, and you were called on it. That is just standard respect, go to your own diary to fundraise, don't hijack a thread (hint: read the rules).

I think that probably bothered you so you write a "double standard" note here on fundraising, but then talk about some "journalistic standards".  

Which is it, a 'well-written diary' as you stated, or a 'double standard on fundraising' issue as your title states, or is it a journalisitc standard issue?


by 4justice on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:12:08 AM EST

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Actually I wrote two comments in that diary which suggested a double standard.  1 comment of mine present the hypothetical I presented here, and thereby asked for money.  And I wrote this diary at the urging of a Clinton supporter, who thought it was an important point to raise.

There are journalistic double standards - I think we should discuss them.  And, I think we should discuss rather the Clinton campaign ought to take advantage of them in their fundraising.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:16:47 AM EST
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Good diary. Makes a good point without being hateful or spiteful towards either candidate, and points out that both gender and racial inequality are alive and well.

I think its a good example of how the two groups find themselves in vastly different positions when it comes to being able to actively promoting pride in their respective demographics as something worthy of the people's vote.

I would imagine there are a number of pro-women's organizations that would be able to actively fight for women's rights in a more direct fashion that voting for any presidential candidate.


by upstate girl on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:13:49 AM EST

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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:22:42 AM EST
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The Obama ad would need to be tweaked but I see no reason why he couldn't run an ad in black communities saying he was going to emphasize their needs - that is what politicians do.

The problem is that the two aren't comparative. Women across the board earn less than men. Black women earn less than black men. White women earn slightly more than black men but have dramatically higher levels of education overall - so comparing education level to education level, white women earn less than black men with a similar level of education. That's why it's fair diary to post and fund raising appeal to issue.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:14:01 AM EST

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Could Obama get away with that in the media though?


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:18:01 AM EST
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I think if it was written well, it could serve as a call for everyone to step up to the plate. Done well, I think the media would embrace it.

I think if you put a spot together that emphasized that it's been 43 years since the Civil Rights act and the Voting Rights act was signed and that while we have come a very far way, there remains serious work to be done and that as an African American who has lived in African American communities, Obama wants to be president so that he can aggressively begin to resolve the lingering issues of past centuries so that our children are no longer held hostage to the sins of their fathers and so that his people can prosper accordingly and he is therefore asking for your money and your time - yeah, I think that would play very well in this nation. Everyone wants to leave that crap behind. People who aren't going to vote for Obama because he's black probably aren't people who are gonna vote for Clinton, or Edwards either.

If he's the nominee, he'll have far more room to make that claim in the general than in the primary because the opposition is going to be making covertly racist appeals. That will free him up to be more overt in his embrace of African American culture because white people are going to be pissed at the Republicans for their game playing. It's like after katrina, being white wasn't so appealing because Bush is white and he's an asshole. You didn't want to be associated with that crap. If he's the nominee, there'll be a level of backlash against the right that will allow far more room to talk about race issues in a constructive way.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:36:24 AM EST
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I think your second paragraph has a lot of truth to it... However, it is the subtle points.  What Obama is not able to say.  That he cannot get angry in public.  Etc.  That will continue to be a factor.  He is trying not to appear too black.  The Wright Problem is not what he said, it is that he said it as a Black Preacher.  Just look at what the Christian Right has said.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:43:23 AM EST
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Clinton has more ability to say this stuff because there has been an immense amount of misogyny shoveled her way and women are angry about it. There hasn't been much racism and so Obama has a much harder time talking about it. You can't claim racism when there really isn't any without risking a backlash. He's done some of it, and it hasn't worked well for him.

However, if he's up against the Republicans - the people who didn't do the right thing during katrina, and don't fund African American schools and all that stuff - he'll have real racism to run that ad in context with. That'll change everything.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:54:21 AM EST
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This isn't "taking advantage" of a double standard. First of all, there's no established double standard, to my knowledge. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't recall similar fundraising tactics from any African American candidates for national public office. I could be wrong, but if it's never been done before, it just means that there's no precedent, in which case there's no statistical evidence that a double standard for this particular track exists.

Second, I doubt the idea of a double standard even came into consideration. It never even would have occurred to most people. Hillary and her campaign aren't required to ensure that every tactic they use could be implemented with equal efficacy by every other campaign. There's nothing malicious in this. Obama has said that he's uniquely qualified to bring this country together, in part, because of his mixed heritage. That's a legitimate argument to make. There's not an equally effective counter-argument for Hillary to make, but that doesn't mean Obama's assertion is unfair.

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by sricki on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:14:20 AM EST

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Oh well, that was meant to be a response upthread, but I'm sure you'll catch it.
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by sricki on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:15:12 AM EST
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Gotcha it was a downthread response.  I don't think it was malicious, or deliberate, it is taking advantage of the fact that Sen. Clinton's core supporters are under-advantaged and she can raise money off that.  Yes, by virtue of her being solid on Women's Issues.

It raises an ethical question, though.  Because Obama could not do the same with his best performing demographic, due to established media stigma.  From an ethical point should the Clinton Campaign do this?


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:21:36 AM EST
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It raises an ethical question, though. Because Obama could not do the same with his best performing demographic, due to established media stigma.

But in order to even submit this for ethical consideration -- from the POV of the Clinton campaign -- the hypothesis that the MSM would be disproportionately critical (toward Obama) would have to be proven. Technically, before one can say, "You're applying a double standard," you need proof. I tend to agree that the media's response would be more negative if Obama did this, but there's no concrete evidence. I'm sure we could pull numerous studies together, which would show the trends for media bias (a huge one), but it wouldn't help us much here. We're working off speculation and common sense alone. This wouldn't be a very cogent argument to present to a political campaign.

Again, I don't think this ever crossed the mind of anyone in the Clinton campaign. They knew they had a clever marketing tactic, and they used it. I don't see it as unethical. If Obama and Hillary can use their race and gender (respectively) in stump speeches, then I think they're free to use them in other ways, as long as the intent is positive and uplifting rather than harmful.

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by sricki on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:45:49 AM EST
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My problem with the message of the original diary is this,

You say you care about equal pay for women?  Great - then put your money where your heart is and pony up!

Women have been fighting for decades for equality of all kinds, and this just sort of sounds demeaning to me.

As far as the "flip-side" to your argument, I don't even know where to go with that.  Race and gender are both important issues, and neither will be solved with this sort of rhetoric--double standard or not.

As a woman and a feminist, I feel like I'm getting the "Hillary issue" shoved in my face, and its just reaffirmed by stuff like this.  


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by asherrem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:30:44 AM EST

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I think over and over again we see a media double standard on race.  As well as Gender, but I'm not as in tune to that as i ought to be.

For instance, James Cone has been attacked during the Rev. Wright story as Black Liberation Theology has been demonized.  BLT has a vibrant history in nearly every theological institution in the country.  But what the conversation has revealed that is that it is not ok for a Black person to be discomforted with the actions of this nation (Blacks ought to be thankful according to Dobbs, Buchanan, Lenny Davis, etc.), however it is perfectly ok for a White Talking Head to be discomforted by a Black person's troubles.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:39:10 AM EST
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Well, there is a media double standard on race, but I think that is partly due to the "be PC at all costs" aspect of the media and society at large.

We can't have a true dialogue in this country regarding race because any way you slice, someone is going to come out a "racist."  You don't need to look any further for a perfect example of this than right here on this blog.  

What I really hate is the exploitation of important issues for personal gain.  That's what I feel Hillary is doing with this 77 cent crap and what Fox did with Wright.  I mean, I can't even begin to address the issue with Wright because it was just so ridiculous.  People are openly persecuting a man who has been serving his community and God for 30 years!  Those few statements, as offensive as they were, do not define him and people just refuse to accept it.  


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by asherrem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:51:52 AM EST
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The best we can do is move forward and call people out.  For instance I've spent the last week making arrangements to bring Rev. Wright to Princeton Seminary - the nations leading theological institution - in the fall.  So that when the 527s are flying and splicing his image with Obama's we will be able to send a message that this nation's main-line theological community stands by right.  Hopefully a message that echoes through Presbyterian, Methodists, UCC etc. Churches throughout the nation.

We have to get the media to report on themselves... to call each other out for racists frames, after all they are in competition.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:56:49 AM EST
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We have to get the media to report on themselves... to call each other out for racists frames, after all they are in competition.

I don't think this is going to happen to be honest.  

Also, I don't think this (Wright) is going to be as a big of an issue in the GE as many people seem to think it is.  People are just plain sick of this stuff.

Good luck with getting Wright to appear :)


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by asherrem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:07:44 AM EST
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It looks like he is going to come... which is great news.  I was impressed with how quickly the faculty came around the idea.

I also don't think it will be a huge issues.  Because too many evangelicals are defending him, and the republicans don't want to upset evangelicals...nor, do they want their pastors to be targets.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:10:39 AM EST
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That's awesome!

And that's exactly it.  Fox news can say all they want about Wright, it won't affect them.  Republicans really have no place arguing Wright in some sort of fanatic.


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by asherrem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:20:03 AM EST
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You're totally missing the point of what people object to. People who want to be president abide by different standards than the rest of us. If Obama wants to be the Democratic nominee, then he has no business hanging out in a church like that and giving the GOP the weapon that he did. The language is offensive. I don't care that anyone wants to go hear offensive language.

But there are plenty of BLT preachers out there who wouldn't say "hillary clinton has never been called a nigger" and then convert the crucifixion tale into a tale of white on black persecution as a direct analogy to this campaign.

If Obama really wants to be president, he can leave that crap behind so that he doesn't saddle good Democrats with having to defend misogynist, racist garbage like the above.

Hopefully, he'll have eight years to reconsider and get rid of the Wrights and the Rezkos in his circle of personal associates.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:04:40 AM EST
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I think that may be a little unfair... Obama went to the Church as a rather lost 28 year old.  And, from what I've heard from friends around TUCC, is that Wright has only recently really really turned up the rhetoric.  Obama likely had no idea he said that about the Clintons, and even if he did he was retiring that month.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:08:37 AM EST
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You're totally missing the point of what people object to.

Umm, because I'm not a person?

I'm sorry, but Obama has every right to attend any church of his choosing.  The guy said a few offensive things in 30 years.  You don't see how unreasonable that argument is?  

Would you, and those around you, appreciate having their whole lives defined by a few stupid comments that came out of your mouth?

He said some dumb things, I get it.  I can overlook it because I know those remarks don't define him or Obama.


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by asherrem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:14:59 AM EST
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Bullshit - and you know it as well as I do. I'm a child of the sixties and this is the same black liberation rhetoric we heard on street corners back in the sixties. he's saying the same stuff he's been saying for 35 years. Now, this is America and Wright's totally free to do that  and Obama can go to any church he wants. But he's handed the GOP a mighty club to beat him over the head with and should he be the nominee, he makes it incumbent on Democratic women to defend him for attending a church headed by an outspoken misogynist.  

it's a totally inappropriate demand to put on the Democratic party when there are plenty of churches that are just as pro-African American and don't engage in that kind of gratuitous rhetoric. That's why it's bullshit on his part.

If he's serious about being president, then he should have cleaned up his acquaintences long before he began running, so that he didn't have to explain or defend this kind of crap. We wouldn't accept this out of a white candidate and it's no less offensive with a black candidate. If this is his idea of church, he can stay a private citizen.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:34:20 AM EST
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We accept this constantly out of white candidates. Witness the entire GOP and the religious right, neoconservative movement. McCain has very close Falwell and Hagee, and they've continually preached extremely homophobic, radicalized messages throughout the years with barely a glance in their direction - and in some cases (like Fox News) they're continually praised as being religious leaders worthy of admiration. The double standard is appalling.


by upstate girl on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:00:03 AM EST
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Aaaahhh, so you want to hold the obama campaign to the standards proposed by the GOP - got it. That's the difference between the Obama camp and the Clinton camp - we, in the clinton camp, would like some more wholesome standards. Water finds it own level, I guess.

I don't know of a single Democratic candidate who could get away with having a white preacher that cast the crucifixion story in terms of the election. I just don't. And that's why it's bullshit.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:42:17 AM EST
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Well there is a socio-theological distinction there.

White Theology tends to cast the crucifixion as an historical event.  Which is debated through apologetics.  Just check out your local Barns & Noble for the two-shelve apologetic and historical jesus section.

Black Theology cast it as an ever present event, so the crucifixion can relate prophetically to modern day.  Apologetics does not really exist, to such a degree, in Black theology.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:52:57 AM EST
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That's irrelevant. When you cast the crucifixion as a modern day story, in terms of race, and hang the role of the persecutor around someone's neck based on their race - you've indulged in racism. And when that racism is directed at the first viable female candidate for president, and one who has an exemplary record on race issues, and certainly one who has worked twice as hard, you've done something absolutely disgraceful.

This will clobber Obama in the general. It'll be used to peel off swing voters in swing states and its going to be devastating.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:22:20 PM EST
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A. I think that denies how much the gospel story is one of race.  Jesus, historically, was another in a line of 'prophets' causing uprisings amongst the oppressed and occupied Jewish People.

B. The oppressed cannot "indulge in racism." Racism is a matter of power.

C. You cannot be 'racists' against females, you can be racists against Black females, Latino females, etc. I do not think you can be racists against a white female, unless the entirety of US society were to be overturned.

D. This comment seems to deny the degree of ingrained racism - even within the Clinton campaign and amongst some Obama advisors - which was at the heart of Wright message (a message I stand by).


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:31:32 PM EST
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No, you don't get to limit the definition of racism to one one of it's meanings in order to defend Wright. Racism, quite validly, can be seen as arbitrary hatred of one race. Turning Jesus into a black man - which he wasn't - and the Romans into white men, just to pretend that people who don't support Obama are racist, is racist. It's also sheer assholery. It was a racist attack on Clinton. You don't have the nerve to admit that - fine. But I'm telling you hear and now that Wright is a racist and that I don't vote for people who attend church with racists. I'm not GOP, have never voted GOP and don't intend to tolerate what I find morally offensive in that party in this party. You want to pollute the Democratic party with racism and with homophobic bigotry, just know that you're gonna have people like me calling you out on it. It's not right when Republicans do it or when Obama does it.

One is misogynist when one against women and obama has repeatedly engaged in misogynist rhetoric. His "tea with ambassadors" comment - which was quite demonstratively historically inaccurate - was as offensive as if some GOP reduced his service in Springfield as "shoe shining". Obama's misrepresentation of Clinton's prominent role in both development and execution of foreign policy during the Clinton adminstration - as reported by Madelyn Albright, Joe Wilson and numerous other Clinton administration staffers - relied upon outdated and sexist assumptions about what First Ladies do while their husbands are in office. Just as if some white guy assumed Obama was shining shoes in the Illinois senate. Then there's his "periodic" comment - total fucking low-life rhetoric. The kind of pigshit rhetoric that Claytie Williams used against Ann Richards in Texas.

Misogyny and racism and homophobic bigotry are not acceptable out of a Democratic candidate. We're Democrats  because we oppose that stuff. I have no idea why some in the party are trying to make it acceptable. It isn't. And it won't ever be. And Democrats will not turn out to vote for someone who engages in it.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:13:23 PM EST
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First, I do not see any reasons for you to suggest my views are contrived for the Wright case.  Actually the Wright case simply demonstrates them.  You bring a bunch of outside issues into your first paragraph that I don't find to pertain to my comment.  Race is about Power dynamics.  To Wright, and perhaps rightly so given his experience, many tactics of the Clinton Campaign appear to be yet another example of White America pushing down Black folks.  I suggest you take the time to broaden your opinion before labeling Wright or Clinton racists.  

There have been misogynistic and racists moments from the Obama Camp - as well as the Clinton camp - nobody's hands are pure here.  Your rhetoric is not helpful to progress.  Now is the time for empathy, understanding, and compassion.  To simply label Wright a racists is to sell yourself short.  It is to send Wright back to the segregated corner which he was brought up in.  It tells Wright your story does not matter.  I've never called people who attack Wright racists.  We all, even Wright, have racists moments - and yes some people are flat racists.  But there is real anger in Black America.  There is a reason that many many Blacks agree with Wright, male and female, and it is not because they are racists.


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by CardBoard on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:47:08 PM EST
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Well, as far as double standards go...

According to the census data black men make more than white women. Black women make less than black men. Hispanic men make less than black women, and hispanic women make less than hispanic men.


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by portia9 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:51:36 AM EST

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the reason Obama has out raised Clinton is pretty basic.
He has a wider base of support. Remember he is half-Anglo.
"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 08:02:21 AM EST


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