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Re: The Ends (2.00 / 1)

Which is why Obama will be the VP

And don't think I didn't notice you try and blackmail the party...


by DTaylor on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:11:19 PM EST

Re: The Ends (2.00 / 2)

It is not blackmail if he has the lead.  People will not be satisfied with VP.


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by CardBoard on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:13:04 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (none / 0)

If he loses the popular vote he loses.

Try and fight a 48 state pledged delegate primary and cry when the party counts 50 states and takes popular vote into consideration so that its 1 vote 1 person???

My vote as a Dem in Cali should count MORE than a GOP crossover in Alaska not less.  Currently that GOP crossover gets 10 times the say in terms of votes per pledged delegate.

Popular vote is democracy as most understand it and that is who will win.


by DTaylor on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:15:43 PM EST
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Unfortunately (2.00 / 2)

this is a race for delegates, not the popular vote.

Now please launch into your standard diatribe about how you'll reward Obama in eight years if he just gives you what you want now, otherwise you'll ruin his career forever. Since you did mention blackmail, and you, DTaylor, have the power to make that come true.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:18:18 PM EST
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Coercive.. (none / 0)

Why do I keep getting the impression we are being coerced into Obama, just like we were into Bush?

Of course, the Obama camp takes every legitimate beef the Clinton folk have ans parrot it right back at us, nomatter how little sense it makes.

This is like some bad movie.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:26:41 PM EST
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Re: Coercive.. (2.00 / 2)

Of course, you could also try winning instead of whining, but why give that a try, eh?

Clinton still has a small chance to pull this out. Fine. If she doesn't, she's just a lousy campaigner.

This is why we have elections. Not turns. You don't get a pony. Not yours.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:36:03 PM EST
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Re: Unfortunately (none / 0)

right - with 300 delegate (of the super kind) who have not cast that vote yet.


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by canadian gal on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:30:20 PM EST
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Re: I wont vote for him in 8 years either. (none / 0)

Well, that's the election right there, then, especially if you get a vote for every one of your sockpuppets, Mssrs. John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the poor and T J Jefferson.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:37:23 PM EST
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Great. (none / 0)

And I need to vote for Hillary because?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:56:14 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (2.00 / 1)

My vote as a Dem in Cali should count MORE than a GOP crossover in Alaska not less.

What the hell does that even mean?

If he loses the popular vote he loses.

Hillary Clinton has to win every remaining state by sixty percent or more to win the popular vote, and that's the low estimate.


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:20:08 PM EST
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She's ahead in the popular vote now.. (none / 0)

in case you hadn't noticed..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:27:36 PM EST
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Re: She's ahead in the popular vote now.. (2.00 / 1)

sigh

In which states will McCain not be on the ballot in November?

Sweet christ you people are exhausting.


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:29:55 PM EST
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Re: She's ahead in the popular vote now.. (none / 0)

In which states will there be a caucus this November?


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:24:30 PM EST
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Re: She's ahead in the popular vote now.. (none / 0)

Okay everyone the game we will be playing is checkers.....Moves made....Um, no I meant chess...more moves....hey, it was supposed to be backgammon, everyone knew that.....more moves....Chinese checkers is a true game.....more moves....this game is stupid and doesn't really show anything....Monopoly anyone????


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:48:53 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (none / 0)

Hillary's supporters are starting to realize Barack brings nothing to the table.  He is not needed on HER ticket.  It's all a shame.  He was a shining star with potential in the party.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:22:06 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (2.00 / 1)

About blackmailing the party:  Do you think the party will unite behind Clinton if she somehow narrowly secures the nomination via a convention fight, while being 100+ pledged delegates behind Obama?  Assume also that Obama has a popular vote lead, excluding Michigan.


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by soccerandpolitics on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:18:58 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (2.00 / 1)

seemingly by outlining how the race could end I'm blackmailing the party.  I think that about says where the Clinton Campaign's chances lie.


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by CardBoard on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:24:50 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (none / 0)

Excluding Michigan?

There is no 48 or 49 state democratic party.

If Obama loses the 50 state popular vote then he can't complain if the SDs make sure the will of the people is done.


by DTaylor on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:04:06 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (none / 0)

You didn't answer the question.  I didn't ask what should happen or who has a right to complain.  I'm interested in what will happen.


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by soccerandpolitics on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:10:58 PM EST
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Re: The Ends (none / 0)

Florida and Michigan will count at either 50% or more likely at 100%

Obama's delegates were already seated as the uncommitted in roughly the numbers he got in post voting poling.


by DTaylor on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:36:50 PM EST
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