I agree that no demographic should be taken for granted. Yet people on both sides think that it is okay to attack a demographic like the youth or GLBT or African Americans or Latinos. It is enough to cause a person to flame out.
Every vote matters in November whether it is black, brown yellow red white green purple or grey.
Every vote counts no matter if the caster is 24, 44, 64 or 84.
Every vote counts no matter if the caster is a Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim,, Atheist or any other kind of religion
Every vote counts!
I am with you up to votes from people who are not in our party
I don't think the AA vote should be taken for granted.
I also don't think that the AA vote voting 92% for a candidate is tolerable in the long term
When its the first time I will over look it but if any group says the color of our candidate's skin has to match mine we are in trouble as all other groups will play the same game.
I support a Black VP if Obama doesn't win. However that is also a one time thing if we let any group use their vote only for their group and then threaten to boycott if they don't get their way with their 25% of the vote its a recipe for disaster long term.
Or else we will be come a party where you have to be racially 25% black/white/asian/hispanic to win
should we close our doors to people who are independent. If we get them to vote Democratic early they have a vested interest in voting Democratic in the fall. A lot of republicans are disenfranchised with the way Bush led them, shouldn't we welcome them with open arms and build a greater majority.
In the fall the democratic party gets close to 90% of the African American vote, would you rather that be lower...
I don't think skin color has a huge influence on why the vast majority of a group votes the way it does, though I am not black so i can't make this judgment, I will listen to an African American's viewpoint on why they vote the way they do.
Bill Clinton ran and did really well in 1992 and 1996 with African Americans, Al Gore did well with African Americans as did John Kerry.
I'm not so sure. The trouble is, you can't tell the motivations of a Republican or Independent in voting in the Democratic primary. At least with a Democrat, you know the person is voting for whom the person thinks is the best candidate on at least some significant criteria.
and its ilk.
However I think the benefits of completely open primaries and caucuse outweigh the harm done by cross over voters.
Also what about in states like NC where there are a lot of democrats who vote for the republican on a federal level.
A person who is a registered Democrat is perfectly capable of voting Democrat in the general election unless the Democrats run a candidate that the voter feels is unacceptable or far less acceptable than the Republican alternative. That's why Clinton won two elections handily - not because he won a large minority of Republicans - but because he won a large share of Democrats who may have voted Republican in other general elections.
On the other hand, a registered Republican is VERY UNLIKELY (probability less than 15%) to vote Democratic in the GE even if the voter finds the Democratic candidate reasonably acceptable.
So, a Republican (and many right leaning Independents) are unlikely to vote for a Democratic candidate even if they voted in the Democratic primary.
"I also don't think that the AA vote voting 92% for a candidate is tolerable in the long term"
Black people vote 92% for the DEMOCRATIC cnadidate all the time. have you EVER complained about that? have you said, "it's unacceptable for African Americans to suport the Dems 92% of the time"? of course not.
and since you're doing it now, because they aren't supporting YOUR candidate, that makes you an unapologetic hypocrite, a hypocrite who takes Black votes for granted.
i don't know if you started with these quasi-racist views of Black people as merely tools of white elites, or the hideous Clinton campaign has driven you to that position, but either way it is WAY out of step with the Democratic party.
You beat me to my comment. The problem that I am having is that all of the sudden it is a problem that blacks are voting for Obama. It wasn't a problem when we were voting for Bill or Gore or Kerry. I have to admit that this primary has brought out the ugly side of folks.
"...the hideous Clinton campaign has driven you to that position, but either way it is WAY out of step with the Democratic party."
The Clinton campaign hasn't driven people that way in the slightest bit. I know that notion is an essential part of the Obama propaganda but it simply isn't true.
And the Clinton campaign is hardly "WAY out of step" with the rank and file Democratic electorate.
After 43 consecutive white presidential and vice-presidential terms, I hardly think Blacks can be accused of being unwilling to support white candidates for the presidency.
Thank you!! People act as if blacks are dumb and are only voting for barack because he's black. Hey, maybe we think he is qualified.
After 43 consecutive male POTUSs, I hardly think females can be accused of being unwilling to support a male for the presidency.
Works both ways and both are immature way of thinking. It is simply holding others hostage by throwing tantrums that I wont vote for me if you dont give me what i want.
The 59% of rhe blacks who said they will still vote for Hillary are the mature ones. And I am sure those mature ones will prevail on many more before Nov. Everyone else proposing and suggesting black vote alienation if Hillary is the nominee, is a selfish individual with immature hatred in their mind.
And it goes the same way for females too. Any woman who says she will not vote for Obama if Hillary is not given the nomination is a fear mongerer and believes in pandering.
And any black person who says he or she will not vote for Hillary if Obama is not given the nomination is a fear mongerer and believes in pandering.
So stop being immature.
Thanks student... you see blatant crap all the time - Like the comment below yours which suggest Black Voters are "holding the party hostage" by the fact they may not vote for the nominee.
Or the several occasions I've heard people on the media begin a conversation with "Obama has a problem with White Women," and slowly the term "White" falls from their wording and it just becomes "Obama has a problem with women"
haha - you just got trollrated by McCheesy for a comment that said "every vote counts" over and over
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